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Legendm · Jul 21, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I'd like to believe I'm entitled to see what Anet has been spending their effort on, because it sure as hell hasn't been the game IVE been playing (GW1).

Why do you believe that?

You got a game, played for several years (I'm assuming) and got bored with it, and now you want a new one. You're like a child. Just wait, what you have nothing better to do? Do you want the goddamn game done or do you want done right. And by done right I mean, completed flawlessly and released at the best time so we could have a large community and it won't get tiring so soon.

And what the hell is with these bullshit claims "if I don't get any info soon I won't play at all" (we all know that's bullshit)? Regardless of when you get info today or 6 months from now the game will still probably come out around 2011 as they already projected, hopefully sooner, but seeings how I have a life I don't mind waiting.

Xenomortis · Jul 21, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I'd like to believe I'm entitled to see what Anet has been spending their effort on, because it sure as hell hasn't been the game IVE been playing (GW1).

What is the logic behind this delusion?

shoyon456 · Jul 21, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Legendm

Why do you believe that?

You got a game, played for several years (I'm assuming) and got bored with it, and now you want a new one. You're like a child. Just wait, what you have nothing better to do? Do you want the goddamn game done or do you want done right. And by done right I mean, completed flawlessly and released at the best time so we could have a large community and it won't get tiring so soon.

I'm very content with the game, however instead of fixing the numerous problems with the game, Anet decided to jump ship, and that it would be easier to just make an entirely new game. If they couldn't fix the first one, what amazing insight do you have that tells you that GW2 won't be the same? There are still bugs in GW that are years old, most are well-known. The live team has hit only a few of them, but they certainly can't get them all.

Yes, I've played long enough to be bored of the game. But really my disappointment comes from the failed "goal" of a campaign every 6 months and the faltering support following gw2 production. That is compounded by the seeming fact that GW2 will go the opposite direction from many of GW1's selling points. And when support for the game i AM playing lessens, and when the live team is constantly pushing back updates because they aren't ready in time, and then using their already late update as an excuse to push back the next update even more...I'd really like to see the excuse in question, instead of just hearing alot of smoke about it.

If the dog ate your homework, show me the dog and its feces, otherwise it is just a load.

Legendm · Jul 21, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I'm very content with the game, however instead of fixing the numerous problems with the game, Anet decided to jump ship, and that it would be easier to just make an entirely new game. If they couldn't fix the first one, what amazing insight do you have that tells you that GW2 won't be the same?

None what-so-ever.

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There are still bugs in GW that are years old, most are well-known. The live team has hit only a few of them, but they certainly can't get them all.

I'm a casual GW player at this point, so I probably haven't even noticed these bugs.

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Yes, I've played long enough to be bored of the game. But really my disappointment comes from the failed "goal" of a campaign every 6 months and the faltering support following gw2 production.

All you guys did was bitch about the additional campaigns, why would they keep making them. They learned from their mistakes and they want to show that they learned their lesson on a different project.

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That is compounded by the seeming fact that GW2 will go the opposite direction from many of GW1's selling points. And when support for the game i AM playing lessens, and when the live team is constantly pushing back updates because they aren't ready in time, and then using their already late update as an excuse to push back the next update even more...I'd really like to see the excuse in question, instead of just hearing alot of smoke about it.

If the dog ate your homework, show me the dog and its feces, otherwise it is just a load.

**Whoosh** that went right over my head. I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

shoyon456 · Jul 21, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Legendm

All you guys did was bitch about the additional campaigns, why would they keep making them. They learned from their mistakes and they want to show that they learned their lesson on a different project.

I had a long paragraph for you, but accidentally hit refersh, so the gist is:
I've enjoyed all gw content except eotn. But I think many people dislike Cantha for the city area, and Elona because its just varying degrees of desert and then finally the morbid torment area.

And what I don't understand is why start a new project if they haven't fixed the bugs they've supposedly "learned from" in the first place? All that seems to say to me is that they really didn't learn anything from GW1.

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Originally Posted by Legendm

**Whoosh** that went right over my head. I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

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Originally Posted by Developer Updates

This month we opted not to make any skill balance changes. Since the last skill balance was only a couple of weeks ago, we want to keep monitoring the changes we've already made before we adjust any more skills.

The last substantive update was June 18th, which buffed many rit spirits and Spawning Power. The updates since then were: bug fixes from that SAME update, general bug fixes, the dragon festival, the K-value update, or wintersday in July. I'm not making light of the dragon event or wintersday in July, but the excuse for no skill update this month provided was a "recent" skill update that was only a few weeks ago. Well June 18th is more than halfway through the month, so they're using their later-than-expected skill update as their own excuse?

Legendm · Jul 21, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

The last substantive update was June 18th, which buffed many rit spirits and Spawning Power. The updates since then were: bug fixes from that SAME update, general bug fixes, the dragon festival, the K-value update, or wintersday in July. I'm not making light of the dragon event or wintersday in July, but the excuse for no skill update this month provided was a "recent" skill update that was only a few weeks ago. Well June 18th is more than halfway through the month, so they're using their later-than-expected skill update as their own excuse?

Again, I'm a casual player so I don't really care about skill updates. I've been using the same mediocre build for the past year. Only one of my skill were effected by the skill updates and I never even bothered to look at the difference.

You're starting to bore me so, I'm gonna go do something else. I suggest you do the same.

germanturkey · Jul 21, 2009, 11:57 PM // 23:57

i personally think its stupid that anet would announce GW2 years ago, then have it drop completely off the radar. the occasional "yeah, what we have is excellent" comment doesn't cut it. nothing tangible has come from them in years, which makes me think it was a mistake for anet to announce anything in the first place. Even Final Fantasy XIII, which was announced in 2005 and remained stealth for years, had a steady (but very very small) stream of details/screenshots flow from it. Anet hasn't produced one screen or gameplay detail. even then, the occasional update for GW isn't even that good. rebuffing old nerfed skills and adding things like Nicholas (which i enjoy) are small, temporary fixes in a machine that needs a complete overhaul. i enjoy farming and 3 manning Shards, but i can only start a new character so many times before the game gets boring.

Pistachio · Jul 22, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

After reading some of these it's funny to think that I don't remember ever receiving a newsletter from ANet. I had completely forgotten I even signed up for one.

Brett Kuntz · Jul 22, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Mmm perhaps these types of topics should be locked/deleted until after PAX, which I remind everyone, is only 7 weeks away.

Cacheelma · Jul 22, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

actually no, Gaile was promoted into Support and is still fairly active in GW

and the new CM? thats Martin and Regina

...which is why I said "replaced" and not "fired". duh.

And by "new" CM I mean the one after Regina gets replaced because she made faulty promised like Gaile did.

We'll see.

BenjZee · Jul 22, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

You want info yet the CMs can't go giving out information at this stage without everyone going "they promised us this"...which makes the public dissapointed when that feature isn't implimented. I believe that was one of the problems people had with Gaile and now people are not happy because Regina keeps alot of information quiet - you can't win apparently.

Lishy · Jul 22, 2009, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Anyone remember MOX? Expert in mechanized party protection?
I don't want that hype to happen again, but with gw2... Let them take their time!

Shasgaliel · Jul 22, 2009, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

...which is why I said "replaced" and not "fired". duh.

And by "new" CM I mean the one after Regina gets replaced because she made faulty promised like Gaile did.

We'll see.

Gaile was promoted and that had nothing to do with any promising whatsoever. I do not see Regina being replaced due to anything what she said so far. She is actually even overcautious. I am quite sure that she is providing us information she is allowed to give. Several things she said and were not right might have been decided on the higher level at Anet and changed later. Spokesman hardly decides anything by him/herself. If Regina gets info from tech department that something will be done by the end of the month and she is allowed to communicate it and then tech does not manage on time is it Regina who is to be blamed?????

pamelf · Jul 22, 2009, 10:25 AM // 10:25

I actually think Regina's been pretty good. If she can't tell us something she just comes right out and says she can't tell us. Honesty is the best policy. Gaile tried to be nice by telling outright lies to get on our good sides. Regina as a whole I find very honest. She doesn't tell us things, but she's not allowed to. The decisions need to be changed at a higher level, and essentially have nothing to do with her. She's just the messenger.

Enon · Jul 22, 2009, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

You want info yet the CMs can't go giving out information at this stage without everyone going "they promised us this"...which makes the public dissapointed when that feature isn't implimented.

That's bullox. GW2 must have certain features that are already up, running and working, considering the Devs play it every Wednesday. Simple features, such as level cap, professions etc, could easily be announced at this stage without them breaking a promise later.

Ravious · Jul 22, 2009, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by pamelf

I actually think Regina's been pretty good. If she can't tell us something she just comes right out and says she can't tell us. Honesty is the best policy. Gaile tried to be nice by telling outright lies to get on our good sides. Regina as a whole I find very honest. She doesn't tell us things, but she's not allowed to. The decisions need to be changed at a higher level, and essentially have nothing to do with her. She's just the messenger.

I agree. Regina's been very good. Very honest and as forthcoming as possible. She also has the cleanest wiki dev page ever.

If you don't think that she is constantly relaying these threads (digested) to higher ups, you are crazy.

GourangaPizza · Jul 22, 2009, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I guess GW2 is the same case of Bioware's Dragon Age, where both games are announced too early and kept under wraps for a very long time. And when they did release information, it seems to be aplenty to keep the community speculating which is healthy from marketing perspective.

JR · Jul 22, 2009, 01:23 PM // 13:23

I've known Regina professionally for some time now (from a good year or so before she went to ArenaNet) I have a lot of faith in her capability as a community manager. She is still relatively new here (given that it took her a year to get rolling with the public), and doesn't have a great deal of active experience with this community. Martin is equally talented and has been around much longer, but also hasn't had much of a presence outside of the German community.

For those reasons, plus the huge focus on Guild Wars 2, I don't think they feel much attachment to this community. They were not around while it was growing, at its peak, and are only now here to see it in decline. They have not been responsible for the direction and health of this community, and so probably don't feel a great deal of ownership or commitment to it. They haven't found a comfort zone or a level of trust, and so are in turn treated with cynicism.

I'd imagine as Guild Wars 2 takes off they will be driving community efforts hard, and there will be a significant change in their practice. That will be their community, rather than a community tainted by the legacy of poor past administration.

As for how we should feel about that right now, I'm not sure. Given how little development focus is on Guild Wars I don't know how much real benefit we would see from Regina or Martin spending more time here. What I am concerned with is the future of ArenaNet, and Guild Wars 2. If my assessment of their situation is correct then we should be in capable hands.

That said, I do think it would benefit them to spend more time with this community so we would have something more than their fumbles to remember them by. It's rather short sighted to think that isn't going to make a difference in future.

Gun Pierson · Jul 22, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by JR

I've known Regina professionally for some time now (from a good year or so before she went to ArenaNet)

So you worked with her in the X-fire team and know her personally in real life from the workfloor? Or do you mean you've read things she posted in the past?

EDIT: changed to X-fire team as I mixed it up with Firefox.

Ravious · Jul 22, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

So you worked with her in the Firefox team and know her personally in real life from the workfloor? Or do you mean you've read things she posted in the past?

You mean X-Fire?